{"id":3361,"date":"2023-02-02T16:17:00","date_gmt":"2023-02-02T15:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/10.0.3.10\/?p=3361"},"modified":"2025-12-23T09:58:35","modified_gmt":"2025-12-23T08:58:35","slug":"podcast-neumlcani-korumpovanie-prebieha-nenapadne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/10.0.3.7\/en\/podcast-neumlcani-korumpovanie-prebieha-nenapadne\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed: Korumpovanie prebieha nen\u00e1padne"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"3361\" class=\"elementor elementor-3361\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-8cbfbcd elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"8cbfbcd\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-be380c7\" data-id=\"be380c7\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c514902 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c514902\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a\"><div dir=\"auto\">J\u00e1n Jen\u010do pracuje ako \u0161\u00e9f in\u0161pekcie \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia u\u017e takmer tri roky. Minul\u00fd rok mu bol pon\u00faknut\u00fd \u00faplatok za poskytnutie inform\u00e1ci\u00ed. On sa v\u0161ak nenechal zl\u00e1ka\u0165, kontaktoval pol\u00edciu a nieko\u013eko mesiacov p\u00f4sobil ako civiln\u00fd agent v utajen\u00ed.<\/div><div dir=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/div><div dir=\"auto\">\u201cZauj\u00edmav\u00e9 je, \u017ee za cel\u00e9 tie mesiace slovo ,\u00faplatok\u00b4 ani nepadlo. Tv\u00e1ril sa ako m\u00f4j kamar\u00e1t, najprv sa ma p\u00fdtal na m\u00f4j s\u00fakromn\u00fd \u017eivot a a\u017e nesk\u00f4r pre\u0161iel k veci, \u010do vlastne potrebuje,\u201d hovor\u00ed Jen\u010do v podcaste Neuml\u010dan\u00ed.<\/div><div dir=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/div><\/div><div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a\"><div dir=\"auto\">Ako za\u010dala jeho spolupr\u00e1ca s pol\u00edciou, \u010do bolo pre\u0148ho naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161ie a pre\u010do po\u017eiadal aj o status chr\u00e1nen\u00e9ho oznamovate\u013ea?<\/div><\/div><div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a\"><div dir=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/div><div dir=\"auto\">Dozviete sa v \u0161iestej epiz\u00f3de podcastu Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fa moderovala Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1.<\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-59e5811 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"59e5811\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<iframe style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/4hCfDFeQ0yrOYNCgtXgtTi?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2c00a61 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2c00a61\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-e481316\" data-id=\"e481316\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d619cb5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-toggle\" data-id=\"d619cb5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"toggle.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-toggle-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-title-2241\" class=\"elementor-tab-title\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"button\" aria-controls=\"elementor-tab-content-2241\" aria-expanded=\"false\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon elementor-toggle-icon-left\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-closed\"><i class=\"fas fa-caret-right\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened\"><i class=\"elementor-toggle-icon-opened fas fa-caret-up\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-toggle-title\" tabindex=\"0\">Textov\u00fd prepis podcastu<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-content-2241\" class=\"elementor-tab-content elementor-clearfix\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"elementor-tab-title-2241\"><p><strong>00:00:05,800 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:36,640 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>J\u00e1n Jen\u010do pracuje ako \u0161\u00e9f In\u0161pekcie \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. Minul\u00fd rok mu bol pon\u00faknut\u00fd \u00faplatok za v\u00fdmenu inform\u00e1cii, no on sa rozhodol kontaktova\u0165 pol\u00edciu a korup\u010dn\u00edkov postupne odhali\u0165. Nieko\u013eko mesiacov p\u00f4sobil ako civiln\u00fd agent v utajen\u00ed. Po policajnej razii v jednej advok\u00e1tskej kancel\u00e1rii sa jeho pr\u00edbeh stal verejne zn\u00e1mym. Dnes je vzorom pre \u00faradn\u00edkov v tom, ako sa maj\u00fa zachova\u0165, ke\u010f sa stretn\u00fa s korupciou v pr\u00e1ci. Moje meno je Nat\u00e1lia Pindruchov\u00e1 a tento podcast pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii denn\u00edka Sme. Dobr\u00fd de\u0148, p\u00e1n Jen\u010do.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:36,640 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:43,520 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Dobr\u00fd de\u0148, \u010fakujem pekne za pozvanie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:43,580 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:51,760 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Predt\u00fdm, ako n\u00e1m poviete o svojej sk\u00fasenosti civiln\u00e9ho agenta, sk\u00faste v skratke vysvetli\u0165, \u010d\u00edm sa zaober\u00e1te ako \u0161\u00e9f In\u0161pekcie \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:00:51,760 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:03,960 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Som zodpovedn\u00fd za jej riadenie a fungovanie. In\u0161pekcia ako tak\u00e1 je odborn\u00fd kontroln\u00fd org\u00e1n Ministerstva \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a v z\u00e1sade sl\u00fa\u017ei na dodr\u017eiavanie alebo t\u00e1 kontrola dodr\u017eiavania environment\u00e1lnej legislat\u00edvy.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:03,960 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:09,260 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A pre\u010do by sa v\u00f4bec niekto mal sna\u017ei\u0165 podplati\u0165 \u0161\u00e9fa in\u0161pekcie? Ak\u00e9 inform\u00e1cie s\u00fa cenn\u00e9?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:01:09,260 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:40,910 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>No pr\u00e1ve pokia\u013e ide o t\u00fato moju kauzu, ona mala akoby tak\u00e9 dve \u010dasti. T\u00e1 prv\u00e1 \u010das\u0165 sa t\u00fdkala t\u00fdch inform\u00e1ci\u00ed a druh\u00e1 u\u017e konkr\u00e9tnych \u00fakonov In\u0161pektor\u00e1tu \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia v Banskej Bystrici. Pokia\u013e ide o tie inform\u00e1cie, v tomto pr\u00edpade i\u0161lo o komunik\u00e1ciu medzi \u0161t\u00e1tom, respekt\u00edve rezortom a Ministerstvom \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a Eur\u00f3pskou komisiou v s\u00favislosti s takzvan\u00fdm skl\u00e1dkov\u00fdm infringementom. V z\u00e1sade ide o to, \u017ee Slovensko ako \u0161t\u00e1t si nepln\u00ed svoje povinnosti, ktor\u00e9 mu vypl\u00fdvaj\u00fa z \u010dlenstva v Eur\u00f3pskej \u00fanii a Eur\u00f3pska \u00fania toto vym\u00e1ha pr\u00e1ve prostredn\u00edctvom toho infringementu, nesk\u00f4r \u017ealoby. V tomto pr\u00edpade \u0161t\u00e1t sa sna\u017e\u00ed kv\u00e1zi obh\u00e1ji\u0165 alebo vyvini\u0165, \u017ee on si tie svoje povinnosti pln\u00ed v z\u00e1sade vzorne. A t\u00e1to v\u0161etka komunik\u00e1cia, ako som povedal neverejn\u00e1, nemala by k nemu ma\u0165 pr\u00edstup ani pr\u00e1vni z\u00e1stupcovia, prev\u00e1dzkovatelia skl\u00e1dok, ani nikto in\u00fd. Pr\u00e1ve z toho d\u00f4vodu, aby im nebola poskytnut\u00e1 nejak\u00e1 nen\u00e1le\u017eit\u00e1 v\u00fdhoda a t\u00fdm, \u017ee mo\u017eno nejak\u00fd ten s\u00fakromn\u00fd subjekt alebo teda ten kontrolovan\u00fd subjekt sa dozvie o tej argument\u00e1cii, m\u00f4\u017ee mu z toho plyn\u00fa\u0165 viacero v\u00fdhod. V tomto pr\u00edpade tie inform\u00e1cie teda t\u00fdkali, ako som uviedol obhajoby \u0161t\u00e1tu, \u017ee pre\u010do vlastne niektor\u00e9 skl\u00e1dky alebo niektor\u00ed prev\u00e1dzkovatelia skl\u00e1dok nemohli by\u0165 postihnut\u00ed, respekt\u00edve ako bud\u00fa do bud\u00facna postihnut\u00ed. Toto teda vytv\u00e1ra priestor, \u010di u\u017e pre nejak\u00e9 lobistick\u00e9 skupiny na konkr\u00e9tne ovplyv\u0148ovanie priamo tvorby predpisov, mo\u017eno v prospech nejak\u00fdch konkr\u00e9tnych subjektov alebo v neprospech subjektov. A v tomto, aj v mojom pr\u00edpade to bolo tak, \u017ee napr\u00edklad aj ten advok\u00e1t dokonca poskytoval \u0161kolenia, ktor\u00e9 priamo s\u00faviseli-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:02:40,910 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:01,060 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>K tomu sa dostaneme e\u0161te. Ja by som mo\u017eno na \u00favod aj povedala pre posluch\u00e1\u010dov, \u017ee vo va\u0161om pr\u00edbehu figuruj\u00fa dve k\u013e\u00fa\u010dov\u00e9 postavy. Budeme ich vola\u0165 vybavova\u010d a advok\u00e1t. A m\u00f4\u017eme teda v skratke poveda\u0165, ako to cel\u00e9 za\u010dalo a mo\u017eno aj tro\u0161ku pre laikov objasni\u0165, \u017ee ak\u00fa nen\u00e1le\u017eit\u00fa v\u00fdhod by mohol mohla nejak\u00e1 advok\u00e1tska kancel\u00e1ria alebo nejak\u00fd in\u00fd subjekt z\u00edska\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:03:01,060 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:04,200 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>V z\u00e1sade t\u00fdm, \u017ee ja u\u017e v oblasti ochrany \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia p\u00f4sob\u00edm mnoho rokov, tieto postavy som poznal, boli mi zn\u00e1me. Bolo mi zn\u00e1me mo\u017eno aj nejak\u00e9 ich predch\u00e1dzaj\u00face p\u00f4sobenie alebo aj priamo z praxe Slovenskej in\u0161pekcie \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. Minim\u00e1lne ten advok\u00e1t je ve\u013emi zn\u00e1my, zast\u00fapi aj viacero prev\u00e1dzkovate\u013eov. Toho vybavova\u010da ja som poznal e\u0161te z \u010dias m\u00f4jho p\u00f4sobenia na Ministerstve \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a teda mal som nejak\u00e9 podozrenie, \u017ee asi ak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom sa tie jeho aktivity bud\u00fa bud\u00fa ubera\u0165. On ma teda kontaktoval e\u0161te prostredn\u00edctvom teda kontaktov, ktor\u00e9 mal z t\u00fdch \u00f4smich rokov dozadu, ke\u010f som bol na Ministerstve \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a v podstate bol tak\u00fd ten sprostredkovate\u013e. Bolo zrejm\u00e9, \u017ee on tieto inform\u00e1cie ne\u017eiada pre seba, respekt\u00edve tie na\u0161e neskor\u0161ie \u00fakony nie s\u00fa priamo v jeho prospech, ale v prospech nejakej inej tretej osoby. A vtedy vlastne do toho vstupuje t\u00e1 postava toho advok\u00e1ta, ktor\u00fd bol t\u00e1 pr\u00e1vny z\u00e1stupca konkr\u00e9tneho prev\u00e1dzkovate\u013ea, respekt\u00edve je, hmm, je teda siln\u00fdm hr\u00e1\u010dom alebo teda aj mo\u017eno m\u00f4\u017eem poveda\u0165, \u017ee lobistom pri tvorbe pr\u00e1vnych predpisov.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:04,200 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:13,320 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A teraz sk\u00fasme \u00eds\u0165 na za\u010diatok toho pr\u00edbehu, \u017ee vy ste sa rozhodli vst\u00fapi\u0165 do role civiln\u00e9ho agenta po prvom telefon\u00e1te od vybavova\u010da? Alebo ako si to m\u00e1me predstavi\u0165?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:13,320 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:29,220 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>V tomto pr\u00edpade ne\u0161lo akoby o moju prv\u00fa sk\u00fasenos\u0165 s pol\u00edciou a s nejak\u00fdm pr\u00edpadom korupcie. Ja som bol kontaktovan\u00fd e\u0161te aj v minulosti oh\u013eadne ak\u00e9hosi z\u00edskavania iba operat\u00edvneho z\u00edskavania inform\u00e1ci\u00ed, oh\u013eadne mo\u017en\u00e9 korupcie mojej osoby. A<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:04:29,220 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:15,280 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>to bol akoby tak\u00fd jeden prv\u00fd pr\u00edpad. To sa nakoniec v z\u00e1sade nepotvrdilo. Druh\u00fd pr\u00edpad bol u\u017e tak\u00fd, teda \u017ee ja priamo som bol v kontakte s osobou podozrivou. T\u00e1 v minulosti teda mohla p\u00f4sobi\u0165 tie\u017e korup\u010dne a postupne z t\u00fdchto dvoch sk\u00fasenost\u00ed som teda z\u00edskal kontakt na konkr\u00e9tneho policajta operat\u00edvca, s ktor\u00fdm teda sme rozbehli aj t\u00fato tretiu spolupr\u00e1cu. A teda vlastne u\u017e ke\u010f sa mi ozval tento vybavova\u010d, hne\u010f mi to bolo podozriv\u00e9. Posunul som tieto inform\u00e1cie N\u00e1rodnej krimin\u00e1lnej agent\u00fare pr\u00e1ve prostredn\u00edctvom tohto m\u00f4jho kontaktu. A ta spolupr\u00e1ca v z\u00e1sade bola v prv\u00e9 t\u00fd\u017edne alebo mo\u017eno mesiace na takej tej operat\u00edvnej \u00farovni a a\u017e nesk\u00f4r sa vlastne preklopila v t\u00fa moju poz\u00edciu agenta v tejto veci.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:15,280 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:18,030 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A poznali ste predt\u00fdm In\u0161tit\u00fat civiln\u00e9ho agenta?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:18,030 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:41,140 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>T\u00fdm, \u017ee ja m\u00e1m vlastne vy\u0161tudovan\u00e9 pr\u00e1vo na Pr\u00e1vnickej fakulte Univerzity Komensk\u00e9ho, kde sme teda prirodzene sa oboznamovali aj s in\u0161tit\u00fadmi trestn\u00e9ho pr\u00e1va. Ten in\u0161tit\u00fat som poznal, vedel som, \u017ee ako zhruba teda funguje. A takisto po\u010das tohto m\u00f4jho p\u00f4sobenia som pri\u0161iel do kontaktu s niektor\u00fdmi osobami, ktor\u00e9 u\u017e aj predt\u00fdm p\u00f4sobili ako agenti, niektor\u00ed viac, niektor\u00ed menej \u00faspe\u0161ne. Tak\u017ee \u00e1no, ten in\u0161tit\u00fat mi bol zn\u00e1my a vedel som teda, \u017ee o \u010do sa jedn\u00e1.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:41,140 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:47,020 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ak \u010dlovek nepozn\u00e1 nikoho na pol\u00edcii, komu by sa mal prv\u00e9mu ozva\u0165, ke\u010f sa o neho niekto sna\u017e\u00ed korumpova\u0165?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:05:47,020 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:11,320 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pokia\u013e ide o vy\u0161etrovanie korupcie, tam je v\u017edy, ak sa nem\u00fdlim, pr\u00edslu\u0161n\u00e1 N\u00e1rodn\u00e1 krimin\u00e1lna agent\u00fara ako prezidi\u00e1lny \u00fatvar alebo teda \u00datvar prez\u00eddia Policajn\u00e9ho zboru. Ona m\u00e1 nieko\u013eko tak\u00fdch t\u00fdch region\u00e1lnych pracov\u00edsk. Ak sa nem\u00fdlim, tak je to Bratislava z\u00e1pad, stred, v\u00fdchod. Tak\u017ee ktoko\u013evek, kto m\u00e1 nejak\u00e9 podozrenie z korupcie alebo korup\u010dn\u00e9ho spr\u00e1vania, ur\u010dite by som odporu\u010dil, aby sa v prvom rade obr\u00e1til na N\u00e1rodn\u00fa krimin\u00e1lnu agent\u00faru.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:11,740 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:27,280 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mhm. Ja mo\u017eno len dod\u00e1m, \u017ee ak niekto st\u00e1le m\u00e1 nejak\u00fa mieru neistoty, \u017ee m\u00f4\u017ee sa obr\u00e1ti\u0165 aj na n\u00e1\u0161 \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov a my mu ur\u010dite s t\u00fdm pom\u00f4\u017eeme. A teraz po\u010fme k tomu In\u0161tit\u00fatu civiln\u00e9ho policajn\u00e9ho agenta. \u017de \u010do to v\u0161etko vlastne obn\u00e1\u0161a? \u010co to vlastne znamen\u00e1 by\u0165 civiln\u00fd agent?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:06:27,280 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:13,919 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Poz\u00edcia agenta jednak v tom mojom pr\u00edpade bola schva\u013eovan\u00e1 s\u00fadom na n\u00e1vrh prokur\u00e1tora, ak sa nem\u00fdlim. A samozrejme, ten z\u00e1kon predpoklad\u00e1, za ak\u00fdch mo\u017enost\u00ed je mo\u017en\u00e9 v podstate be\u017en\u00e9ho ob\u010dana ustanovi\u0165 za agenta. V\u0161etky tieto d\u00f4vody boli teda naplnen\u00e9. Bol vypracovan\u00fd ten n\u00e1vrh na moje ustanovenie do poz\u00edcie agenta a n\u00e1sledne teda s\u00fad o tom rozhodol, \u017ee \u00e1no, \u017ee ja teda m\u00f4\u017eem by\u0165 t\u00fdm agentom. Samozrejme, nevyhnutn\u00fd je s\u00fahlas tej osoby. Nikto nem\u00f4\u017ee robi\u0165 agenta proti svojej v\u00f4li. T\u00e1 poz\u00edcia agenta mu v podstate pom\u00e1ha alebo zjednodu\u0161uje situ\u00e1ciu v tom, \u017ee ist\u00e9 trestn\u00e9 \u010diny, ktor\u00e9 vykon\u00e1 ako agent a s\u00favisia s predmetom toho konkr\u00e9tneho trestn\u00e9ho konania, sa ho net\u00fdkaj\u00fa, respekt\u00edve on nem\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 ich p\u00e1chate\u013eom, resp. jakoby by som povedal lib\u00e9rovan\u00fd, alebo teda tieto skutky nie s\u00fa trestn\u00e9, pokia\u013e vykon\u00e1 agent-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:13,919 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:17,719 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci\u017ee ak by ste si aj zobrali tie peniaze od vybavova\u010da, tak by ste neboli trestne st\u00edhan\u00fd.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:17,719 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:47,099 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, v z\u00e1sade \u00e1no. Ja koniec koncov som tie peniaze aj zobral a odovzdal, no pr\u00edpadne s\u00fa tam e\u0161te nejak\u00e9 \u010fal\u0161ie trestn\u00e9 \u010diny, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa akoby osloboden\u00e9 v pr\u00edpade toho agenta, tu\u0161\u00edme, tam ide o nejak\u00e9 neu\u017eitie pr\u00e1vomoci verejn\u00e9ho \u010dinite\u013ea a tak \u010falej a tak \u010falej. Z\u00e1rove\u0148 s\u00fa tam ale teda aj pr\u00edsne pravidl\u00e1, za ktor\u00fdch teda ja m\u00f4\u017eem tie skutky vykona\u0165. Napr\u00edklad v mojom pr\u00edpade som vyslovene nemohol nav\u00e1dza\u0165 na, na to korup\u010dn\u00e9 spr\u00e1vanie. V podstate som bol iba tak\u00fd, tak\u00fd posluch\u00e1\u010d alebo teda div\u00e1k toho, toho cel\u00e9ho, \u010do sa dialo okolo m\u0148a.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:47,099 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:58,140 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Na to som sa presne chcela aj op\u00fdta\u0165, \u017ee viem, \u017ee nem\u00f4\u017eeme hovori\u0165 o ve\u013ek\u00fdch detailoch tejto pr\u00e1ce, aby sme nenaru\u0161ili taktiku pol\u00edcie, ale predsa len asi nejak\u00e9 tak\u00e9to z\u00e1kladn\u00e9 odpor\u00fa\u010danie, ktor\u00e9 ste mali od policajtov, \u017ee ako znelo?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:07:58,140 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:53,800 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Asi to najd\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie bolo, \u017ee ja teda nem\u00f4\u017eem nav\u00e1dza\u0165 na poskytnutie \u00faplatku. Bolo by mo\u017en\u00e9 ak\u00fdmsi sp\u00f4sobom licitova\u0165, u\u017e keby bolo teda zrejm\u00e9, \u017ee \u00e1no, \u017ee to smeruje tak k tomu \u00faplatku. Ale ani k tomuto som sa \u010disto z prevent\u00edvnych d\u00f4vodov nejak neuch\u00fdlil. \u010co ale teda d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 je, \u017ee v\u0161etky tieto moje stretnutia boli zaznamenan\u00e9 prostredn\u00edctvom zvuko-obrasov\u00e9ho z\u00e1znamov\u00e9ho zariadenia a tam je teda ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 poskytn\u00fa\u0165 spolupr\u00e1cu tej pol\u00edcii, dohodn\u00fa\u0165 sa na t\u00fdch, t\u00fdch detailoch v podstate t\u00fdch stretnut\u00ed, aby teda oni boli informovan\u00ed a vedeli sa na to pripravi\u0165. Z\u00e1rove\u0148 ja som bol viazan\u00fd ml\u010danlivos\u0165ou, nikomu som o tom nemohol hovori\u0165. V z\u00e1sade som si vym\u00fd\u0161\u013eal akousi legendu, \u017ee kam idem, na ak\u00e9 stretnutie, s k\u00fdm sa idem stretn\u00fa\u0165. Ke\u010f som \u017eiadal nejak\u00e9 podklady, napr\u00edklad z Ministerstva \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia, tam som si musel vymyslie\u0165 ten d\u00f4vod, pre\u010do si to vlastne \u017eiadam, aby som nezbudoval nejak\u00e9 podozrenie. Tak\u017ee bolo to sk\u00f4r teda fakt v takej tej taktike tej pr\u00e1ce.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:08:53,800 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:01,380 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Nebolo to \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9 sa naozaj zorientova\u0165 v odpor\u00fa\u010dan\u00ed, \u017ee nep\u00fdta\u0165 si \u00faplatok, ale tv\u00e1ri\u0165 sa povolene? Neboli ste z toho zm\u00e4ten\u00ed?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:01,380 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:29,300 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ur\u010dite to bolo n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9, ale tu mus\u00edm vyzdvihn\u00fa\u0165 t\u00fa spolupr\u00e1cu s N\u00e1rodnou krimin\u00e1lnou agent\u00farou. V z\u00e1sade sme si prech\u00e1dzali viacer\u00e9 mo\u017en\u00e9 scen\u00e1re a oni sami mi odpor\u00fa\u010dali, \u017ee ako sa spr\u00e1va\u0165, pr\u00edpadne ako na \u010do konkr\u00e9tne reagova\u0165. To je asi be\u017en\u00e1 prax auta. Mnoh\u00ed vedia, \u017ee v\u017edy ak\u00fdsi briefing pred, debriefing vlastne po. Tak\u017ee v\u017edy sme si to prech\u00e1dzali ve\u013emi d\u00f4sledne. Tak\u017ee v tomto t\u00e1 spolupr\u00e1ca znakov bola pre m\u0148a pr\u00edkladn\u00e1 a teda kie\u017eby aj mo\u017eno in\u00e9 \u00fatvary pol\u00edcie fungovali takto efekt\u00edvne.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:29,300 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:32,680 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ako dlho trvalo va\u0161e p\u00f4sobenie v role civiln\u00e9ho agenta?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:32,680 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:43,960 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Priamo zo z\u00e1kona je tam obmedzen\u00e9 \u010dasov\u00e9 obdobie na maxim\u00e1lne tri mesiace, ale je mo\u017en\u00e9 to pred\u013a\u017ei\u0165. V mojom pr\u00edpade sa to raz predl\u017eovalo, tak\u017ee v z\u00e1sade som p\u00f4sobil ako agent \u0161es\u0165 mesiacov.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:43,960 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:45,980 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A pre\u010do to tak trvalo dlh\u0161ie?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:09:45,980 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:02,810 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>V podstate i\u0161lo o to, aby sme spolu s pol\u00edciou zozbierali dostato\u010dne siln\u00e9 d\u00f4kazy a zasa tie, tie stretnutia a tie rozhovory o tom \u00faplatku. Ono to neprebiehalo tak poviem to, \u017ee na rovinu, \u017ee daj mi toto a ja ti d\u00e1m tis\u00edc p\u00e4\u0165sto eur, p\u00e4\u0165tis\u00edc eur, desa\u0165tis\u00edc eur. V\u017edy to bolo-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:02,810 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:07,200 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Sk\u00faste poveda\u0165, to ma celkom zauj\u00edma, \u017ee ako to sk\u00fa\u0161aj\u00fa tak nepriamo nazna\u010di\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:10:07,200 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:01,439 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>S\u00fa to tak\u00e9, ako\u017ee aj pre m\u0148a aj niekedy \u00fasmevn\u00e9, tak\u00e9 slovn\u00e9 hra\u010dky, \u017ee ale ve\u010f oni sa vedia odv\u010fa\u010di\u0165, oni vedia, ako to funguje a nemysli si, nebude\u0161 \u0161kodova\u0165, to sa potom dohodneme. Uvid\u00ed\u0161, m\u00f4\u017ee\u0161 \u00eds\u0165 potom na dovolenku alebo si nie\u010do k\u00fapi\u0165. Ke\u010f niekam p\u00f4jde\u0161, zavolaj, vybav\u00edme. A to s\u00fa tak\u00e9, \u017ee nikdy tam nezaznelo po\u010das t\u00fdch rozhovorov slovo \u00faplatok alebo korupcia. V\u017edy to bolo sk\u00f4r tak\u00fd nejak\u00fd dar v\u010faka, mo\u017eno v\u0161imn\u00e9. Tak\u017ee bolo to ve\u013emi \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9 v podstate n\u00e1js\u0165 ten zlomov\u00fd bod, kedy je zrejm\u00e9, \u017ee teda nie je to iba tak\u00e1 nejak\u00e1 kamar\u00e1tska l\u00e1skavos\u0165, ale \u017ee v\u0161etk\u00fdm je zrejm\u00e9, \u017ee o \u010do im ide a o \u010do&#8230; \u017ee o \u010do im ide a \u010do vlastne potrebuj\u00fa a ak\u00e1 je moja \u00faloha v celom tom, v celej tej sch\u00e9me, v celom tom syst\u00e9me t\u00fdchto skutkov.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:02,000 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:15,660 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>M\u0148a e\u0161te zaujalo na tom pr\u00edbehu, \u017ee vlastne ono to fakt nebolo v\u00f4bec priamo \u010diare, \u017ee ten \u010dlovek si v\u00e1s zavolal na k\u00e1vu a sk\u00f4r sa tak p\u00fdtal, ako sa m\u00e1te a na v\u00e1\u0161 s\u00fakromn\u00fd \u017eivot, \u017ee vlastne sk\u00faste mo\u017eno e\u0161te pop\u00edsa\u0165 pre posluch\u00e1\u010dov, \u017ee ako vyzer\u00e1 tak\u00e1 t\u00e1 manipul\u00e1cia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:11:15,660 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:33,200 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Tam i\u0161lo aj o to, aby som si vybudoval d\u00f4veru toho \u010dloveka. Tak mnoho t\u00fdch stretnut\u00ed si dovol\u00edm tvrdi\u0165 mo\u017eno tri \u0161tvrtiny boli v\u017edy o tak\u00fdch s\u00fakromn\u00fdch veciach. Kto ide kam na dovolenku, kto chov\u00e1 ak\u00e9ho psa, kto chod\u00ed kam na dovo-, na po\u013eova\u010dky a pr\u00edpadne nejak\u00e9 pr\u00edhody. \u010co m\u00e1 nov\u00e1 \u017eena? Ako sa maj\u00fa deti? Tak\u017ee v\u017edy to bolo tak\u00e9 fakt akoby tak\u00e9 kamar\u00e1tske sedenie. A popritom sem-tam sa spomenula aj t\u00e1 t\u00e9ma, \u017ee no tak a teraz, \u017ee \u010do s t\u00fdm listom a \u010di to viem prinies\u0165 a kedy to viem prinies\u0165? A tak sa to nejak tak od\u010fa\u013eovalo. V z\u00e1sade i\u0161lo o to, aby bolo-Vie\u0161, to bol zrejm\u00fd ten moment odovzdania tej inform\u00e1cie a prevzatia toho \u00faplatku. Tak\u017ee bolo to tak\u00e9 \u00fasmevn\u00e9. Ja som teda v\u017edy aj policajtom tak vravel, \u017ee no to sa zase dozviete z t\u00fdch rozhovorov, aj z m\u00f4jho s\u00fakromia a v\u0161eli\u010do. Ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee oni akoby v\u017edy iba pou\u017eij\u00fa t\u00fa \u010das\u0165, ktor\u00e1 s\u00favis\u00ed s t\u00fdm skutkom, \u017ee to ostatn\u00e9 sa v z\u00e1sade skartuje. A tam v niektor\u00fdch pr\u00edpadoch t\u00e1 osoba toho vybavova\u010da sa p\u00fdtala aj na mnoh\u00e9 nejak\u00e9 in\u00e9 kauzy, nejak\u00fd in\u00fd veci, ak chcela pom\u00f4c\u0165. Tam \u010dastokr\u00e1t to bolo iba o tom, \u017ee on nie je akoby zn\u00e1l\u00fd toho z\u00e1kona, tak som mu nie\u010do aj vysvetlil, nie\u010do som mu poradil, \u017ee vlastne ako by sa mal teda br\u00e1ni\u0165, ale v\u017edy ako\u017ee z\u00e1konnou cestou. Tak\u017ee takto postupne sa tam budovala t\u00e1 d\u00f4vera. Tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee na z\u00e1klade toho sa podarilo z\u00edska\u0165 relat\u00edvne siln\u00e9 d\u00f4kazy.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:33,200 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:35,940 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A \u010do bolo pre v\u00e1s naj\u0165a\u017e\u0161ie po\u010das t\u00fdchto mesiacov?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:12:35,940 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:17,060 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Pre m\u0148a bolo ve\u013emi \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9, lebo osobne som pre\u017e\u00edval tak\u00e9to zav\u00e1dzanie t\u00fdch mojich kolegov. Tak\u00e9to, to klamanie a tak by\u0165 v podstate tak\u00fd ostra\u017eit\u00fd, d\u00e1vaj\u00faci pozor, aby som nie\u010do nenazna\u010dil, \u010do by som mo\u017eno nemal, \u010do by mohlo zmarit o to samotn\u00e9 dokazovanie. U\u017e aj niektor\u00ed kolegovia pr\u00e1ve z toho, z toho dotknut\u00e9ho in\u0161pektora t\u00fa \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia v Banskej Bystrice sa aj dopytovali: &#8222;A pre\u010do ste, p\u00e1n gener\u00e1lny, stal sa na toto vypytova\u0165? My tu m\u00e1me proste kopec in\u00fdch k\u00e1uz a ve\u010f u\u017e nech u\u017e to pochop\u00ed, \u017ee to sa tak ned\u00e1 spravi\u0165, ako to on chce.&#8220; Aaa, ale vtedy, ako\u017ee skuto\u010dne si tak v\u00e1\u017eim t\u00fa d\u00f4veru t\u00fdch mojich kolegov, \u017ee teda spolupracovali, mo\u017eno aj tak by som povedal, \u017ee slepo a na konci sa to teda vysvetlilo a pochopili, \u017ee ja\u00e1, \u017ee dobre, \u017ee u\u017e rozumej\u00fa.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:17,060 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:19,920 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010ci chv\u00ed\u013eu ste boli aj vy podozriv\u00ed vo\u010di va\u0161ich kolegov?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:19,920 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:23,500 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ur\u010dite. Ur\u010dite som tie\u017e p\u00f4sobil podozrivo v niektor\u00fdch t\u00fdch momentoch.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:23,500 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:25,620 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ke\u010f sa to vyjasnilo, tak \u010do v\u00e1m povedali?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:25,620 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:34,620 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>No tak v z\u00e1sade, ako\u017ee som dostal pozit\u00edvne reakcie od kolegov. Bola jednoducho aj tak\u00e1 \u00fasmevn\u00e1, \u017ee teda my sme s t\u00fdm advok\u00e1tom nie\u010do rie\u0161ili a n\u00e1m ten \u00fapadok nepon\u00fakol-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:34,620 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:35,340 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ste boli sklaman\u00fd-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:13:35,340 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:14,120 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Prv\u00fd raz som tak\u00fd, \u017ee \u010di sa s\u0165a\u017eujete alebo \u017ee \u010do t\u00fdm chcete poveda\u0165? A tak\u017ee boli v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou teda z prostredia in\u0161pekcie pozit\u00edvne. Mnoho t\u00fdch na\u0161ich in\u0161pektorov \u010delilo priamo aj tomu advok\u00e1tovi, pr\u00edpadne on e\u0161te st\u00e1le teda akt\u00edvne p\u00f4sob\u00ed aj v niektor\u00fdch \u017eiv\u00fdch kauz\u00e1ch. \u00c1\u00e1\u00e1, tak \u017ee sk\u00f4r ho vn\u00edmaj\u00fa tak negat\u00edvne. Aa zase nemo\u017eno mu uprie\u0165 ve\u013emi sofistikovan\u00e9 postupy a z\u00e1konn\u00e9 postupy, ale tak to je ako\u017ee jeho \u0161ikovnos\u0165, to sk\u00f4r sa my m\u00f4\u017eeme z toho pou\u010di\u0165, ale teda je sk\u00f4r tak vn\u00edman\u00fd, \u017ee teda komplikuje pr\u00e1cu in\u0161pektorom, tak\u017ee c\u00edtili minim\u00e1lne tak\u00e9 \u010diasto\u010dn\u00e9 zados\u0165u\u010dinenie, \u017ee u\u017e tomu rozumej\u00fa, ako to, ako to funguje.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:14,120 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:32,219 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>V jednom bulv\u00e1rnom t\u00fd\u017edenn\u00edku vy\u0161iel v z\u00e1sade aj tak\u00fd kv\u00e1zi rozhovor s n\u00edm, kde sa vyjadroval aj k tejto kauze a v r\u00e1mci toho \u010dl\u00e1nku tam bolo aj tak\u00e9 vyhodnotenie, \u017ee tento typ inform\u00e1ci\u00ed, ktor\u00fd on mal \u00fadajne sa sna\u017ei\u0165 od v\u00e1s z\u00edska\u0165, \u017ee by nijako nepomohol tomu biznisu. \u017de to, ako vn\u00edmate tak\u00e9to vyjadrenia?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:14:32,220 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:01,460 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja to beriem ako tak\u00fa jeho taktiku a strat\u00e9giu obrany z\u013eah\u010dova\u0165 t\u00fa situ\u00e1ciu, mo\u017eno pods\u00fava\u0165 tak\u00e9to vn\u00edmanie, \u017ee vlastne to v\u00f4bec nem\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 nijak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom posudzovan\u00e9 ako nejak\u00e9 korup\u010dn\u00e9 alebo nejak\u00e9 poskytnutie tej nen\u00e1le\u017eitej v\u00fdhody. Na ho-, pri\u010dom ja s\u00e1m som mal osobn\u00fa sk\u00fasenos\u0165 s t\u00fdm advok\u00e1tom na jednej kontrole, kde on tak vo mne zarezonovalo tak\u00e9 vyjadrenie, \u017ee ke\u010f sa v minulosti menil z\u00e1kon, tak \u017ee vraj on na to upozor\u0148oval, \u017ee to teda nebude nap\u013a\u0148a\u0165 tie po\u017eiadavky Eur\u00f3pskej \u00fanie. A to ja som bol, \u017ee odkia\u013e on mohol vedie\u0165 o t\u00fdch po\u017eiadavk\u00e1ch, oke\u013e\u013ea on mohol vedie\u0165 o \u00faprave toho z\u00e1kona a dokonca na tej jednej konkr\u00e9tnej kontrole zase tie\u017e umne z jeho strany vytiahol kombin\u00e1ciu paragrafov a tak\u00fa obranu, kde skuto\u010dne aj my, ako In\u0161pekcia \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia sme museli uzna\u0165, \u017ee \u00e1no, m\u00e1te pravdu, t\u00e1 skl\u00e1dka v podstate m\u00f4\u017ee \u010falej pokra\u010dova\u0165, aj ke\u010f vieme, \u017ee sa tam poru\u0161uje z\u00e1kon. Ale bohu\u017eia\u013e, tie z\u00e1kony boli tak nachystan\u00e9, \u017ee niekomu proste vyhovuj\u00fa. A to vo mne tak vzbudilo to podozrenie a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to bolo aj tak\u00fdm t\u00fdm cie\u013eom toho jeho s\u00fa\u010dasn\u00e9ho konania, respekt\u00edve toho konania v tej mojej kauze z\u00edska\u0165 tie inform\u00e1cie a mo\u017eno dopredu vedie\u0165, ako sa d\u00e1 ovplyvni\u0165 t\u00e1 legislat\u00edva. Ja teraz napr\u00edklad neviem poveda\u0165, \u017ee \u010di on to robil s \u00famyslom pom\u00f4c\u0165 jeho, jeho klientom alebo mo\u017eno u\u0161kodi\u0165 ostatn\u00fdm prev\u00e1dzkovate\u013eom, ktor\u00ed nie s\u00fa jeho klienti. \u00c1le vrav\u00edm, tam je proste viacero t\u00fdch rovn\u00ed, ako sa d\u00e1 s t\u00fdmi inform\u00e1ciami na-nar\u00e1ba\u0165 a ako sa na nich d\u00e1 zar\u00e1ba\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:01,460 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:07,620 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To som sa chcela op\u00fdta\u0165, sk\u00fasme e\u0161te naozaj pre laikov n\u00e1s vysvetli\u0165, \u017ee, \u017ee ako sa d\u00e1 zar\u00e1ba\u0165 na odpadovom hospod\u00e1rstve.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:16:07,620 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:02,299 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Celkovo t\u00e1 environment\u00e1lna protipr\u00e1vna \u010dinnos\u0165 je jedna z tak\u00fdch t\u00fdch najv\u00fdnosnej\u0161\u00edch krimin\u00e1lnych aktiv\u00edt. Pokia\u013e ide o \u017eivotn\u00e9 prostredie, v z\u00e1sade s\u00fa to tak\u00e9 ve\u013ek\u00e9 pr\u00fady, obchodovanie s regulovan\u00fdmi druhmi \u017eivo\u010d\u00edchov a rastl\u00edn a pr\u00e1ve nakladanie s odpadmi. Ten biznis v z\u00e1sade spo\u010d\u00edva v tom, \u017ee niekto zoberie peniaze za likvid\u00e1ciu, ale re\u00e1lne ten odpad nezlikviduje a len ho dajme tomu niekde ulo\u017e\u00ed na mo\u017eno nejak\u00fa \u010diernu skl\u00e1dku alebo do nejak\u00e9ho skladov\u00e9ho priestoru, nech\u00e1 to tam a v podstate si rob\u00edme smetisko z cel\u00e9ho Slovenska. Ale to je tak\u00fd ten by som povedal asi ten najprimit\u00edvnej\u0161\u00ed sp\u00f4sob. Potom s\u00fa aj sofistikovanej\u0161ie met\u00f3dy, kde napr\u00edklad sa d\u00e1 z\u00edska\u0165 v\u00fdhoda mo\u017eno takouto \u00fapravou z\u00e1kona, \u017ee ktor\u00e1 skl\u00e1dka alebo ak\u00e9 zariadenie sp\u013a\u0148a nejak\u00e9 predpoklady na prij\u00edmanie nejak\u00fdch druhov odpadov, napr\u00edklad \u010do sa t\u00fdka ke\u010f \u00fapravy toho odpadu pred skl\u00e1dkovan\u00edm a teda vhodn\u00e1 pr\u00edprava toho z\u00e1kona uprednostn\u00ed ukladanie odpadu na nejak\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tne skl\u00e1dky, mo\u017eno ostatn\u00e9 vyl\u00fa\u010di, pr\u00edpadne sa mo\u017eno odsunie nejak\u00e1 \u00fa\u010dinnos\u0165, alebo sa tam vlo\u017e\u00ed nejak\u00e1 v\u00fdnimka, \u017ee mo\u017eno sta\u010d\u00ed a nie \u017ee 100 percent odpadu bude upraven\u00e9 a mo\u017eno len 20 percent. A u\u017e zrazu to proste preferuje nejak\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tne skl\u00e1dky, nejak\u00fdch konkr\u00e9tnych prev\u00e1dzkovate\u013eov a z toho biznisu to vytla\u010d\u00ed ostatn\u00fdch. A mo\u017eno e\u0161te tak\u00fd, tak\u00fd \u010fal\u0161\u00ed sp\u00f4sob, ako zarobi\u0165 na t\u00fdchto inform\u00e1ci\u00e1ch. A to s\u00e1m som bol z toho prekvapen\u00fd, \u017ee ten samotn\u00fd advok\u00e1t poskytoval \u0161kolenia. \u013dudia si mohli zaplati\u0165, \u00eds\u0165 k nemu na nejak\u00e9 vzdel\u00e1vanie, na nejak\u00e9 \u0161kolenie jednod\u0148ov\u00e9, kde by sa teda dozvedeli novinky z legislat\u00edvy v r\u00e1mci odpadov\u00e9ho hospod\u00e1rstva. Kde teda nepochybne tieto inform\u00e1cie, ktor\u00fdmi on disponoval, respekt\u00edve, ktor\u00e9 z\u00edskal v rozpore so z\u00e1konom, u\u017e by zrazu mohli pom\u00f4c\u0165, \u017ee t\u00ed, nejak\u00ed t\u00ed s\u00fakromn\u00ed poskytovatelia a poradcovia v oblasti \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia by vedeli poveda\u0165 konkr\u00e9tnemu prev\u00e1dzkovate\u013ea: &#8222;Tu si vlastne \u017eiadaj o nejak\u00e9, o nejak\u00fa t\u00fa linku na \u00fapravu&#8220; alebo &#8222;Tu si r\u00fdchlo rozbehn\u00ed EU a tu to si nie\u010do dorob&#8220; at\u010f. At\u010f.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:02,340 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:08,760 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ako v\u00e1s tak po\u010d\u00favam, tak ve\u013emi znie to \u017ee, \u017ee dos\u0165 ve\u013ea \u013eu\u010fom kaz\u00edte biznis. U\u017e sa v\u00e1m niekto vyhr\u00e1\u017eal alebo neboj\u00edte sa?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:08,760 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:31,640 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Prizn\u00e1m sa, \u017ee \u017eiadnu tak\u00fa konkr\u00e9tnu vyhr\u00e1\u017eku som teda neobdr\u017eal. \u00c1mm je mo\u017en\u00e9 to aj mojou povahou, \u017ee mi to a\u017e tak nejak&#8211; toto ja neberiem ako to, \u010do by ma malo odradi\u0165 a to vn\u00edmam, \u017ee je to proste spr\u00e1vna vec. A pokia\u013e sa chceme celkovo proste posun\u00fa\u0165 aj ako spolo\u010dnos\u0165 alebo \u0161t\u00e1t niekam, tak proste na tak\u00fdchto drobn\u00fdch veciach sa m\u00f4\u017ee budova\u0165 t\u00e1, t\u00e1 d\u00f4vera verejnosti v \u0161t\u00e1tnej in\u0161tit\u00facii.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:38,629 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:41,110 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>V akej f\u00e1ze je teraz vy\u0161etrovanie v\u00e1\u0161ho pr\u00edpadu?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:18:41,110 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:03,520 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ke\u010f\u017ee ja v tomto pr\u00edpade vystupujem ako agent, ja s\u00e1m m\u00f4\u017eem poda\u0165 vlastne t\u00fa svedeck\u00fa v\u00fdpove\u010f alebo by\u0165 vypo\u010d\u00favan\u00fd iba pred prokur\u00e1torom. To sa zatia\u013e e\u0161te nestalo. Tie inform\u00e1cie, ktor\u00e9 ja m\u00e1m, teda s\u00fa zna\u010dne obmedzen\u00e9. V z\u00e1sade sa tam ve\u013emi dlho vykon\u00e1valo znaleck\u00e9 dokazovanie a v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti, pokia\u013e viem, st\u00e1le prebieha konanie vo veci s\u0165a\u017enost\u00ed \u010di uzneseniu, uznesen\u00ed, obvinenia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:03,520 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:12,990 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mo\u017eno pre niekoho bude t\u00e1 predstava civiln\u00e9ho agenta ako pr\u00edli\u0161 nebezpe\u010dn\u00e1 a riskantn\u00e1. Je to tak? Alebo mo\u017eno sa \u013eudia zbyto\u010dne boja tej spolupr\u00e1ce s pol\u00edciou?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:12,990 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:39,389 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee t\u00e1 pol\u00edcia ve\u013emi d\u00f4sledne monitorovala ka\u017ed\u00e9 jedno stretnutie. Ja nepochybujem o tom, \u017ee ja som bol odpo\u010d\u00favan\u00fd, sledovan\u00fd bez m\u00f4jho vedomia, ale vn\u00edmam to proste aj pre nich ako d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9, aby sa mne ako agentovi ni\u010d nestalo. Tak\u017ee tu ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee o m\u0148a bolo ve\u013emi dobre postaran\u00e9, mo\u017eno aj bez toho, aby som si to uvedomoval. Tak\u017ee tu ja by som chcel mo\u017eno aj posluch\u00e1\u010dov uisti\u0165, \u017ee ja som sa ur\u010dite neb\u00e1l o nejak\u00fa svoju bezpe\u010dnos\u0165.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:39,389 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:46,790 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A mysl\u00edte, \u017ee ste mali v nie\u010dom jednoduch\u0161iu poz\u00edciu? V tom, \u017ee ste vo ved\u00facej poz\u00edcii oproti nejak\u00e9mu r\u00e1dovemu \u00faradn\u00edkovi, ktor\u00fd sa m\u00f4\u017ee b\u00e1\u0165 d\u00f4sledkov?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:19:46,790 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:47,990 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to bolo jednoduch\u0161ie pr\u00e1ve pri mo\u017eno vytv\u00e1ran\u00ed tej legendy alebo tom klaman\u00ed, zav\u00e1dzan\u00ed, \u017ee m\u0148a sa a\u017e tak ve\u013emi proste do detailov nep\u00fdtali a v z\u00e1sade mi sta\u010dilo poveda\u0165, \u017ee potrebujem t\u00fato inform\u00e1ciu, lebo toto, toto. Spravili to a bodka. Mo\u017eno, \u017ee pri t\u00fdch ni\u017e\u0161\u00edch \u00faradn\u00edkoch alebo teda t\u00fdch referentoch by to bolo o toto komplikovanej\u0161ie. A preto je pre m\u0148a ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 ma\u0165 mo\u017eno d\u00f4veru v toho ved\u00faceho zamestnanca. Prizn\u00e1m sa, \u017ee ja s\u00e1m, teda ke\u010f som s\u00fahlasil s t\u00fdm ustanoven\u00edm do funkcie agenta, som teda o tom informoval priamo ministra \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia ako osobu, vo\u010di ktorej sa ja zodpoved\u00e1m. Samozrejme, neposkytol som mu \u017eiadne detaily, iba som mu povedal, \u017ee teda v nejakej konkr\u00e9tnej kauze som teda ustanoven\u00fd ako agent a \u017ee v pr\u00edpade, \u017ee aj ku nemu sa dostan\u00fa nejak\u00e9 podozrenia o mo\u017eno mojom konan\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 sa mo\u017eno nejav\u00ed by\u0165 tak\u00e9, \u017ee v tom najlep\u0161om z\u00e1ujme v \u017eivotnom prostred\u00ed, \u017ee m\u00f4\u017ee to s\u00favisie\u0165 s touto kauzou. A preto teda, ak, tak nech ma proste o tom informuje a pokia\u013e to bude mo\u017en\u00e9, mu teda vysvetl\u00edm, objasn\u00edm.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:47,990 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:49,260 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Mali ste jeho podporu?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:49,260 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:59,770 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>V tomto som ur\u010dite mal jeho podporu. Ve\u013emi korektne a z jeho strany nijako sa nedopytoval, nezis\u0165oval, prijal t\u00fa inform\u00e1ciu a t\u00fdmto v z\u00e1sade haslo.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:20:59,770 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:02,929 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A ako vn\u00edmate rolu l\u00eddrov pri odha\u013eovan\u00ed korupcie?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:02,929 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:14,970 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>No ur\u010dite musia \u00eds\u0165 tak\u00fdm t\u00fdm, t\u00edm modelom a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to je pr\u00e1ve tie\u017e jeden z t\u00fdch prostriedkov, ako sa d\u00e1 vybudova\u0165 t\u00e1 d\u00f4vera verejnosti v tie, tie \u0161t\u00e1tne in\u0161tit\u00facie. \u00c1\u00e1\u00e1,<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:14,970 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:36,070 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>mo\u017eno\u017ee aj t\u00ed referenti, ke\u010f vidia, \u017ee vlastne oni akokeby makaj\u00fa a teda \u017ee ja nie som len ten, \u010do tu sed\u00ed niekde v Bratislave za stolom a iba kritizuje, ke\u010f sa nie\u010do pokaz\u00ed, ale \u017ee ja s\u00e1m idem pr\u00edkladom, \u017ee by som sa dal na tak\u00fato akciu. \u017de ich to tak povzbud\u00ed, \u017ee vidia, \u017ee s\u00fa tu aj ostatn\u00ed, ktor\u00ed teda stoja za nimi, kryj\u00fa ich chrb\u00e1t a teda tie\u017e s\u00fa ochotn\u00ed poskytn\u00fa\u0165 tak\u00e9to riziko.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:36,070 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:43,610 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>U\u017e ste to tro\u0161ku spom\u00ednali, ale sk\u00fasme predsa len e\u0161te da\u0165 nejak\u00e9 odpor\u00fa\u010danie \u00faradn\u00edkom, ktor\u00ed sa stretn\u00fa s korupciou, \u017ee \u010do by mali by\u0165 ich prv\u00e9 kroky.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:43,610 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:54,670 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Por\u00fa\u010dal by som teda kontaktova\u0165 priamo t\u00fa N\u00e1rodn\u00fa krimin\u00e1lnu agent\u00faru, pr\u00edpadne sa poradi\u0165 s t\u00fdm ved\u00facim zamestnancom nadriaden\u00fdm v z\u00e1vislosti od konkr\u00e9tnej situ\u00e1cie. Alebo nech sa obr\u00e1tia na \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:54,670 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:59,270 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vy ste nesk\u00f4r po\u017eiadali aj o status chr\u00e1nen\u00e9ho oznamovate\u013ea. Pre\u010do?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:21:59,270 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:25,929 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Prizn\u00e1m sa, \u017ee teda ja som ten z\u00e1kon, pod\u013ea ktor\u00e9ho \u00farad kon\u00e1, poznal a evidoval, ale t\u00fdm, \u017ee som mo\u017eno sa s n\u00edm neobozn\u00e1mil a\u017e tak ve\u013emi do detailov, som s\u00e1m zo za\u010diatku nepoznal akoby t\u00fa silu \u00faradu, respekt\u00edve t\u00fa silu toho z\u00e1kona, ktor\u00fd m\u00f4\u017ee poskytn\u00fa\u0165 ochranu oznamovate\u013eom proti spolo\u010denskej \u010dinnosti. Ja som to st\u00e1le vn\u00edmal, \u017ee t\u00e1 hlavn\u00e1 \u00faloha spo\u010d\u00edva, akom si, akejsi ochrane tej pracovnej poz\u00edcie konkr\u00e9tneho oznamovate\u013ea. Ale t\u00fdm, \u017ee ja som priamo \u0161tatut\u00e1r, som tam akoby nevidel, \u017ee kto by bol ten, kto by mi mohol robi\u0165 zle v r\u00e1mci Slovenskej in\u0161pekcie \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia, nako\u013eko ja som tam ten vrcholov\u00fd mana\u017e\u00e9r. Ale teda ke\u010f som si to rozobral tak nejak na drobnej\u0161ie, tak som si uvedomil, \u017ee aj v tej mojej poz\u00edcii som st\u00e1le len \u0161t\u00e1tny zamestnanec. Vo\u010di mne Ministerstvo \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia vykon\u00e1va akoby t\u00fa funkciu toho nadriaden\u00e9ho. Koniec koncov, aj priamo zo z\u00e1kona ja som menovan\u00fd gener\u00e1lnym tajomn\u00edkom slu\u017eobn\u00e9ho \u00faradu Ministerstva \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. A ke\u010f som si to tak nejako rozobral na drobnej\u0161ie a e\u0161te to rozanalyzoval s kolegami, tak mi z toho vyplynulo, \u017ee ten z\u00e1kon skuto\u010dne aj mne v poz\u00edcii \u0161tatut\u00e1ra m\u00f4\u017ee poskytn\u00fa\u0165 ochranu. A pr\u00e1ve aj v tej kauze sa spom\u00ednali nejak\u00e9 osoby, ktor\u00e9 v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti p\u00f4sobia na Ministerstve \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. A \u010disto kv\u00f4li nejakej mojej osobnej ochrane a t\u00fdm, \u017ee som teda u\u017e si zistil, \u017ee ten z\u00e1kon mi vie poskytn\u00fa\u0165 t\u00fa ochranu, som vlastne \u00darad \u0161peci\u00e1lnej prokurat\u00fary po\u017eiadal o poskytnutie alebo teda uznanie toho postavenia chr\u00e1nen\u00e9ho oznamovate\u013ea-<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:23:25,929 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:26,850 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A vyhoveli v\u00e1m?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:23:26,850 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:34,208 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u00c1no, vyhoveli mi.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:23:34,210 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:41,250 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Teraz tak v\u0161eobecne, \u017ee pre\u010do ste sa ozvali? Mohli ste si predsa tro\u0161ku privyrobi\u0165. To je samozrejme \u017eart.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:23:41,250 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:47,490 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Rozumiem, rozumiem. Sk\u00f4r ide o to, \u017ee jednak, \u017ee aj mne osobne ve\u013emi z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na \u017eivotnom prostred\u00ed. A ako som povedal, poznal som t\u00fa \u010dinnos\u0165 pr\u00e1ve toho vybavova\u010da, toho advok\u00e1ta z minulosti a vn\u00fatorne ma to proste ve\u013emi \u0161krelo, \u017ee proste tou ich \u010dinnos\u0165ou sa po\u0161kodzuje \u017eivotn\u00e9 prostredie. Tak\u017ee to bola mo\u017eno tak\u00e1 jedna, t\u00e1 prv\u00e1 motiv\u00e1cia. T\u00e1 druh\u00e1 motiv\u00e1cia bola, \u017ee ide proste o korupciu. Tuto nem\u00e1me v na\u0161om pr\u00e1vnom \u0161t\u00e1te, v na\u0161ej spolo\u010dnosti \u010do robi\u0165? Tak treba to proste rie\u0161i\u0165. A si tak hovor\u00ed\u0161, tak kto in\u00fd ke\u010f nie ja? Tak som sa teda ozval. Mal som teda akoby ve\u013emi dobr\u00fa situ\u00e1ciu. Mal som tie zn\u00e1mosti, tu mo\u017eno tak\u00fa predch\u00e1dzaj\u00facu sk\u00fasenos\u0165, tak sme do toho i\u0161li. A to, \u017ee privyrobi\u0165 si? Tak \u00e1no, rozumiem, situ\u00e1cia je \u0165a\u017ek\u00e1, infl\u00e1cia a tak \u010falej, ale tak v tej mojej poz\u00edcii proste ja m\u00e1m ten svoj plat. Ak sa mi nep\u00e1\u010di, tak by som mohol alebo mal od\u00eds\u0165. V podstate v\u017edy je to tak\u00fd nejak\u00fd trade off toho, \u017ee \u010do \u010dlovek rob\u00ed a ak\u00e9 m\u00e1 peniaze za to. A mne to, nepri\u0161lo mi to, teda, \u017ee ten finan\u010dn\u00fd zisk je hodn\u00fd toho po\u0161kodzovania \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. Respekt\u00edve \u017eiadny finan\u010dn\u00fd zisk, v tomto pr\u00edpade by nebol hodn\u00fd toho po\u0161kodzovania \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:47,738 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:56,068 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>To ste mi tro\u0161ku nahrali na \u010fal\u0161iu ot\u00e1zku, \u017ee pre\u010do ste si vlastne vybrali oblas\u0165 \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a nie nejak\u00fd lukrat\u00edvny flek v advok\u00e1tskej kancel\u00e1rii?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:24:56,068 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:27,358 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>V podstate t\u00e1, t\u00e1 moja z\u00e1\u013euba v tom \u017eivotnom prostred\u00ed pramen\u00ed z toho m\u00f4jho detstva a odmali\u010dka teda som sa anga\u017eoval u\u017e aj ako nejak\u00fd n\u00e1zro\u010dn\u00fd pubertiak v kadejak\u00fdch rozli\u010dn\u00fdch aktivistick\u00fdch \u010dinnostiach, \u010di u\u017e mimovl\u00e1dnych organiz\u00e1ci\u00ed. Ale teda mal som aj osobn\u00fa sk\u00fasenos\u0165 s prostredn\u00edctvom mojej matky, ktor\u00e1 t\u00e1 p\u00f4sobila na Krajskom \u00farade \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. V podstate m\u0148a to nejako tak prirodzene, bez toho, aby som si to mo\u017eno aj s\u00e1m uvedomoval, doviedlo do toho, \u017ee chcem sa venova\u0165 tomu \u017eivotn\u00e9mu prostrediu. Tak\u017ee asi by som tie korene videl v tom detstve, v t\u00fdch rodi\u010doch, pr\u00edpadne in\u00fdch rodinn\u00fdch pr\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edkov. Potom v istom momente, v tom, po\u010das toho m\u00f4jho \u017eivota som si tak nejak uvedomil, \u017ee ak chcem chr\u00e1ni\u0165 to \u017eivotn\u00e9 prostredie, d\u00e1 sa to ve\u013emi efekt\u00edvne robi\u0165 pr\u00e1ve prostredn\u00edctvom z\u00e1konov. A tak som sa rozhodol \u0161tudova\u0165 pr\u00e1vo. Ale u\u017e po\u010das aj \u0161t\u00fadia som jednak pom\u00e1hal ako dobrovo\u013en\u00edk v rozli\u010dn\u00fdch mimovl\u00e1dkach so spracovan\u00edm nejak\u00fdch vyjadren\u00ed, podkladov a tak \u010falej. V r\u00e1mci predmetov som si volil predmety, ktor\u00e9 sa profiluj\u00fa v oblasti \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a ochrany \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. Aj po ukon\u010den\u00ed vysoko\u0161kolsk\u00e9ho \u0161t\u00fadia som vlastne rovno nast\u00fapil na Ministerstvo \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia. Nesk\u00f4r som si e\u0161te popri pr\u00e1ci dor\u00e1bal vlastne aj to odborn\u00e9 vysoko\u0161kolsk\u00e9 vzdelanie, lesn\u00edcke vozvolenie. Potom som vlastne bol v zahrani\u010d\u00ed na st\u00e1\u017ei, \u010do sa zase venoval akejsi tvorbe politiky v oblasti \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia a pou\u017e\u00edvan\u00ed z\u00e1konov v rozli\u010dn\u00fdch situ\u00e1ci\u00e1ch a tak \u010falej. Tak\u017ee so mnou sa to nejak tak vle\u010die cel\u00fd \u017eivot a zase nevyl\u00fa\u010dujem mo\u017eno, \u017ee nesk\u00f4r skon\u010d\u00edm v tej advok\u00e1cii a budem sa venova\u0165 tomu pr\u00e1vu \u017eivotn\u00e9ho prostredia aj z poz\u00edcie advok\u00e1ta.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:27,358 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:29,658 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Je pod\u013ea v\u00e1s korupcia roz\u0161\u00edren\u00e1 na Slovensku?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:29,658 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:51,298 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ako ja s\u00e1m nedisponujem \u017eiadnymi konkr\u00e9tnymi \u0161tatistikami, ale ob\u00e1vam sa, \u017ee je to probl\u00e9m, ktor\u00e9mu \u010del\u00edme dos\u0165 \u010dasto, aj na\u0161a spolo\u010dnos\u0165. Ono to je mo\u017eno vidno aj pr\u00e1ve na takomto mo\u017eno po\u010dte org\u00e1nov alebo organiz\u00e1ci\u00ed, ktor\u00e9 sa tomuto probl\u00e9mu venuj\u00fa. A mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee t\u00e1 korupcia sa v na\u0161ej spolo\u010dnosti v rozli\u010dn\u00fdch form\u00e1ch vyskytuje asi viac, ne\u017e by bolo vhodn\u00e9.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:51,298 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:53,898 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>A \u010do sa mus\u00ed sta\u0165, aby sme sa pohli vpred?<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:26:53,898 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:07,108 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>Ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee my ako spolo\u010dnos\u0165 a to som zase u\u017e tie\u017e niekde povedal, \u017ee sme e\u0161te relat\u00edvne mlad\u00ed a bohu\u017eia\u013e, sme e\u0161te asi aj dos\u0165 pozna\u010den\u00ed t\u00fdm mo\u017eno predch\u00e1dzaj\u00facim re\u017eimom, ktor\u00fd tak viedol t\u00fdch na\u0161ich predkov, \u017ee nejak\u00e9 veci sa daj\u00fa vybavi\u0165 iba po zn\u00e1mosti alebo proste nejak\u00fdm ovplyv\u0148ovan\u00edm. Ako keby ten prirodzen\u00fd syst\u00e9m \u00faplne nefungoval tak, ako by mal. Aaa teda v\u0161ak mali sme tu divok\u00e9 dev\u00e4\u0165desiate roky, ktor\u00e9 boli teda pozna\u010den\u00e9 viacer\u00fdmi korup\u010dn\u00fdmi kauzami, \u017ee mnoh\u00e9 z nich sa vlastne aj doteraz nejak\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom rie\u0161ia a vle\u010d\u00fa. Tak\u017ee je to probl\u00e9m, ktor\u00fd pod\u013ea m\u0148a mus\u00edme za\u010da\u0165 rie\u0161i\u0165 mo\u017eno od t\u00fdch mal\u00fdch drobn\u00fdch krokov aaa proste za\u010da\u0165 sa fakt, \u017ee tak nejak, by som povedal, \u017ee hanbi\u0165 za tak\u00e9 nejak\u00e9 tie drobn\u00e9 \u00fastupky a to, \u010do mus\u00ed pod\u013ea m\u0148a cel\u00e1 spolo\u010dnos\u0165 nejako tak postupne vyvin\u00fa\u0165. A mo\u017eno pr\u00e1ve t\u00ed l\u00eddri, ke\u010f uvidia alebo teda uk\u00e1\u017eu, \u017ee oni sami nepod\u013eahn\u00fa tak\u00e9muto poku\u0161eniu, tak mo\u017eno aj t\u00ed, t\u00ed, t\u00ed radov\u00ed ob\u010dania si uvedomia, \u017ee aha, \u017ee proste nie je to tak, \u017ee ve\u010f to sa deje v\u0161ade. Ka\u017ed\u00fd proste ten \u00faplatok zoberie. Proste, \u017ee s\u00fa tu \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed chc\u00fa kona\u0165 \u010destne, z\u00e1konne a teda ja tak budem tie\u017e kona\u0165. Ale to je asi na tak\u00fa ve\u013emi \u0161irok\u00fa diskusiu.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:07,108 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:10,278 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010eakujem pekne, \u017ee ste prijali pozvanie do n\u00e1\u0161ho podcastu.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:10,278 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:12,937 [J\u00e1n Jen\u010do]<\/strong><\/p><p>\u010eakujem za pozvanie.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:12,937 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:37,618 [Nat\u00e1lia Pindrochov\u00e1]<\/strong><\/p><p>Po\u010d\u00favali ste podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed, ktor\u00fd pre v\u00e1s vytv\u00e1ra \u00darad na ochranu oznamovate\u013eov v produkcii Den\u00edka SME. Ak n\u00e1m chcete ozn\u00e1mi\u0165 korupciu alebo in\u00e9 poru\u0161ovanie z\u00e1konov, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa dopad na verejn\u00fd z\u00e1ujem, nap\u00ed\u0161te n\u00e1m na neuml\u010danizavinac oznamovatelia.sk. O mesiac v\u00e1m predstav\u00edme \u010fal\u0161\u00ed pr\u00edbeh odv\u00e1\u017eneho oznamovate\u013ea. Dovtedy nezabudnite, \u017ee neml\u010da\u0165 je zlato.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><strong>00:28:41,717 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:09,956 [Reklama]<\/strong><\/p><p>Vol\u00e1m sa Zuzana Kova\u010di\u010d Hanzelov\u00e1 a v \u017eivote som mala \u0161\u0165astie. Narodila som sa do podmienok, v ktor\u00fdch je v\u0161etko nastaven\u00e9 na \u00faspech. Aj preto som pre v\u00e1s pripravila spolu s Krist\u00ednou Pahol\u00edk Ham\u00e1rovou miniseriu Ods\u00faden\u00ed na ne\u00faspech o t\u00e9me genera\u010dnej chudoby, vyl\u00fa\u010den\u00fdch komun\u00edt a syst\u00e9me, v\u010faka ktor\u00e9mu s\u00fa st\u00e1tis\u00edce \u013eud\u00ed ods\u00faden\u00ed na ne\u00faspech. 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On sa v\u0161ak nenechal zl\u00e1ka\u0165, kontaktoval pol\u00edciu a nieko\u013eko mesiacov p\u00f4sobil ako civiln\u00fd agent v utajen\u00ed.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3024,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[33],"tags":[31],"class_list":["post-3361","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","tag-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed: Korumpovanie prebieha nen\u00e1padne<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Podcast Neuml\u010dan\u00ed: Korumpovanie prebieha nen\u00e1padne\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" 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